There's an extraordinary scene on January 6th that she recounts, where Republican members are sort of being asked to sign these sheets for electoral vote objections. And she writes about Congressman Mark Green of Tennessee [00:00:18] as he moved down the line, signing his name to the pieces of paper. Green said sheepishly, to no one in particular, the things we do for the orange Jesus. - He called him the orange Jesus. - Yes. Not exactly a compliment. [00:00:36] CNN has obtained some tidbits from former Representative Liz Cheney, a Republican congresswoman from Wyoming who did not get reelected. She has an upcoming memoir titled Oath and Honor, which is set to be released next week. [00:00:51] Now, she spills the beans about what went down after the events on January 6th. - Let's take a look. - This is two days after the election. Cheney writes that McCarthy told her that he had just spoken to Trump and that [00:01:10] McCarthy says, quote, he knows it's over. He just needs to go through all the stages of grief. Cheney then writes that it's it's her wry sense of humor that the stages of grief also apparently included tweeting in all cap letters. [00:01:28] But there's also another sort of stunning anecdote about Kevin McCarthy. We all remember the photograph when, just three weeks after January 6th. There it is. Kevin McCarthy goes running down to Mar a Lago. [00:01:44] - He's afraid he can't raise money anymore. - Just and just to. I'm sorry to interrupt, but this is a this is a lifeline. Everyone thought that the Republican Party was going to rid itself of Donald Trump. Everybody had spoken negatively about him. But then McCarthy does this, and it basically, you know, [00:02:00] he's like Phenix from the ashes. - Donald Trump is renewed. - Correct. And and nobody knows this trip is happening. And Cheney writes, actually, when she saw that photo, she thought it was a fake. Why? Why would she think that? [00:02:15] That that photo is a fake? - It seems so. - Natural. - They look so comfortable. - Two buddies hanging out. In each other's presence. Arms are tough. What do you do with them? - No. You know what, I don't know. - I actually agree. I have a difficult time knowing what to do with my arms during photos, so. [00:02:33] But they look so uncomfortable, like it's so clear to me. I mean, I know McCarthy's not a fan of Trump and feels he's a necessary evil for his own political aspirations. But aside from that, aside from that incredibly embarrassing photo, which, you [00:02:49] know, McCarthy ran to Donald Trump after condemning him on January 6th, right? He took the floor and gave a short speech condemning Trump for his role in inciting January 6th. And then he realized it wasn't politically advantageous to do that, and then ran home [00:03:08] to daddy to beg for his forgiveness. It's so embarrassing. But what are your thoughts about the latest revelations here, John? Yeah, that that, by the way, has always stood out to me as one of the worst parts of all of that, like having a politician who refuses to admit that they've lost. [00:03:23] That's going to happen. It happens all over the place having like, you know, a cabal of weirdos around them, their inner circle, who are willing to do whatever that will happen, even having some elected officials who are willing to try to, like, throw things into chaos, or having like a mob who can break, like all of that is one thing, [00:03:39] but then having some Republicans be like, at long last, we've crossed the line that should have never been crossed. And then they look out there to the country and they're like, oh, no, nobody has a problem with this is actually okay. That is the worst part of it, because that's a massive group of people [00:03:55] that is enough people that they think their careers now need to be in line with the coup. Yeah. So that's the part that's always bothered me the most, him being willing to like give the speech condemning him and then go and kiss the ring or whatever. - It's so. - Embarrassing. - So, so terrible. - Just completely unmanned. [00:04:13] Yeah. Donald Trump. Yeah. - And then and his supporters. - Yeah, sure. And look, all of this is based on us believing Cheney, which I guess for this stuff I'm willing to she has nothing political left to lose, I suppose at this point, although she does want to sell the books, but also Kevin McCarthy apparently knowing as of two days after the election that it was done, and he had [00:04:31] that information that whole time, and he just sat on it and and people like him not doing anything is one of the things that helped us get to January 6th and help the violence actually happen. When Kevin McCarthy first got elected into Congress, he, along [00:04:48] with a few other freshman Republicans, I think Eric Cantor was one of them. I don't remember the third. They referred to themselves as the young Guns. Was it Paul Ryan? It was Paul Ryan, yes. Like, yeah. You know, like tough guys. We're the young guns. [00:05:03] We're gonna we're gonna switch things up. It's like you ended up just being a little bitch. That's like, that's it. I mean, look, I know that's not the best commentary, not the expert commentary you would expect, but come on. I mean, how else can you describe this now? [00:05:18] McCarthy defended that Mar a Lago meeting by saying that he was on a quest to build unity in the party. Right? The party was just in shambles. There was all this division. He wanted to build party unity ahead of the 2022 midterm elections. - Horrible explanation. - Horrible. [00:05:34] Why are you building unity with the side that tried to overthrow the government that you said was responsible for it? He was trying to build unity at the ballot box behind him. That's what he was building unity for. Okay. Now, according to Cheney, which, look, I actually think considering [00:05:50] how much Cheney hates Donald Trump and Donald Trump supporters within Congress, I think it's fine if people are skeptical about her claims, I really do. She's a Cheney. Yeah. And and she's a Cheney. I mean, I trust her as far as I can throw her. And so it is what it is. But I'll share what she claims. [00:06:07] Now, she claims that McCarthy's excuse for visiting Trump at Mar a Lago following January 6th is not true. That's not the case. When Cheney confronted McCarthy about his pow wow, she exposed just how much of [00:06:23] a sucker McCarthy seems to be for Trump. Although I don't even know if that's the right framing. I just think that Republican lawmakers see Trump as a necessary evil for their political survival. That is my take on it. But let's take a look at this next video for more details. [00:06:39] Cheney. Mar a Lago. What the hell? Kevin. Kevin McCarthy. They're really worried. Trump's not eating, so they asked me to come see him. Cheney. What? You went to Mar a Lago because Trump's not eating. [00:06:55] McCarthy. Yeah, he's really depressed. She also reveals that, look, she was not the only one. She talks about other Republicans were, quote, angry and disgusted that McCarthy had gone running back to Trump. [00:07:12] And there's a text that's going around and she writes that her Republican colleagues, quote, some mocked him circulating that Trump McCarthy photo along with get ready. The clip from the movie Jerry Maguire, where Tom cruise tells Renee Zellweger, [00:07:32] you complete me. Come on, come on, I don't. Come on. Do you believe that. That some random politicians are doing that? Sure. It's stupid. So. Yeah. What? What is the Jerry Maguire thing have to do with it? [00:07:48] Like, what? A weird, disconnected reference. Yeah. They're close. I guess they're trying to make it a romantic thing. They are very homophobic. Yeah, I buy it, I buy it. They probably did that. - Yeah, you do that. - Some rando Republicans were like, ha ha. [00:08:04] Yeah, I buy that. All of them in turn, have to at least publicly pretend that they love Orange Jesus, according to them. But they all hate it. They all have like simmering self hatred for it. So all of them will love an outlet to be like the other people [00:08:20] are more differential than me. I don't bow down like them. And then as soon as Trump looks at them, they bow down. I buy it. It's the part of the story that I care by far the least about, but I buy it. Okay, I, I guess I'm skeptical. Something about it just doesn't sit right with me. [00:08:35] Like, sit well with me. But if it is true. I just how are we supposed to expect people who don't have any self-respect to respect us? Okay. Like, you don't even have some dignity. [00:08:52] If it is, in fact, true. Have some. Have some dignity. Anyway, finally, according to CNN's Jamie Gangel, the hypocrisy of the Republican Party is pretty prominent. It's a big theme in this book, especially from the die hard Republicans who at one [00:09:10] point were, in fact, against Trump. So one final video for you. Let's take a look. Of all the stories in there, what's the most surprising to you? I think actually it's the number of stories like that. It is the hypocrisy. It's the duplicity. It's all of these things are being said in private, and they're mocking Trump [00:09:31] and they're saying, well, we just need to do this one last thing, or he's not eating or we know he's lost. - But what. - I do for the. Orange Jesus, what I do for the orange. Jesus, I'm going to contest the electoral vote because I got to, [00:09:46] but I don't believe it. She has. Throughout the book, she talks about Mitch McConnell, how at first he told her that, you know, he he was in favor of the impeachment and she watches his evolution and then pulling back. [00:10:02] So I think it's this notion that they were all in the right place for about 15 minutes, and then they all went running back to Trump. Yeah. Do you believe the whole thing about how Trump wasn't eating? [00:10:19] Do I believe that Kevin McCarthy said it to Cheney? - Or do I believe that that was the reason? - What like just. Imagine. Look, Trump's down there. He's depressed. He's lost. Please get me Kevin McCarthy. It's the only thing that will help. [00:10:35] Why would that help? No, I mean, look, he would love to have someone suck up to him, right? To kiss his ass. Yes. Yeah. It's not like they're buddies. Like they need to play a round of golf or something, and I don't, I don't I don't know that I believe it, I think it was Kevin McCarthy again, trying to do that double face thing where he's doing what he has to to get [00:10:53] Trump and the Trump people to like him. But he also doesn't want to admit to other people, including some that he might have worked with for years and years in DC, including Liz Cheney. That, oh, yeah, you know, I'm just an empty suit, and I just do whatever the Trump people say that I have to do. So he's going to come up with something. No, I was just, you know, I was trying to help out. [00:11:10] No. Totally. No, no, no, I'm starting to believe that more and more because McCarthy. Basically. Because if you're the kind of person who enters Congress as a freshman congressman and you refer to yourself as the young gun. [00:11:26] Yeah, you want to you want to brand yourself in a certain way. And the antithesis, like, what is counterproductive to that? Branding is being this, like pathetic, sniveling fool for Trump, when in reality you don't like him, in reality you don't agree with him and you [00:11:44] are furious with what he did on January 6th and in the lead up to January 6th. Yeah. God. It's just look, I, I want to believe that it's not rare for people to be like me. Meaning, I'm going to tell you what you don't want to hear [00:12:01] and you're going to like it. - Okay? - No evidence of that. No evidence at all. Like I can't do it. I can't look you in the eye or look into that camera and say, garbage. I don't believe I can't do it, I can't do it. And look, I've said things in the past that I've changed my mind on, [00:12:16] and I've corrected or at least updated my takes when I feel like it's necessary. So change of mind is okay. I think that everyone goes through that. But like literally knowing that you are saying something or you're supporting someone or something that you don't believe in, [00:12:33] don't support is just so weird to me. There are a lot of people with like, I don't know, I'm not a psychologist or whatever, but low grade sociopathy, like, not just in politics, but we've seen it in media. We've seen people who are just they are so desperate and hungry to be famous or influential or powerful or rich or whatever, that they're just like, [00:12:52] just tell me what I need to say. Like I'm just going to say a bunch of things and whichever one you clap for, then that's my personality now. And I'm just going to say it more. And they self-radicalize in pursuit of something. We've seen that. I just I think it's really important in life to find your crew, [00:13:09] if you know what I mean. And what I mean by that is. The young guns. Your young. - Guns. - No, it's you're going to attract. Certain people based on the way you behave and act. Right. And so if so, Kevin McCarthy and the other Republicans, if all of this [00:13:28] is true and look, there are other cases that I think corroborate this culture that you're seeing among Republican lawmakers who have provided cover for Trump, even though they disagree with him and in some cases, despise him. Again, I can't emphasize enough the the amazing conversations I had [00:13:45] when I debated Ben Shapiro at the Pennsylvania Chamber of Commerce. The conversations I had behind the scenes were far more interesting than what you guys saw on camera, because it's mostly Republicans there. They hate Trump. Okay, like despise him. [00:14:02] Couldn't wait to like, you know, get a moment with me so they can tell me how much they hate him because they know that, you know, they have a sympathetic person who's been critical of Trump, but publicly, like, the cowardice really bothers me, especially when it has to do with elected officials, public servants. [00:14:20] Look, these are Republican lawmakers. I disagree with them on policy. And so it's not really going to affect me. They're not my representatives. However, I think it's unfair to their constituents because they're lying to them. They're misrepresenting who they are, and they're misrepresenting [00:14:37] what their actual genuine feelings are in regard to Donald Trump. And they're doing it for, you know, it's politically expedient in their minds. They think that this is helping, but they're really selling out their own constituents and lying to them. They're being dishonest. And I think it's unfair to them. [00:14:53] If you enjoyed this video, that's because of our members. They make us independent. They make us strong and they make us honest. Become a member today by hitting the join button below.