You have said that you're against secularism. So which religion should rule us all? >> Speaker 2: None, that is the answer. >> Speaker 2: Well, isn't that secularism? >> Speaker 2: That's not secularism. I think that capitalist secularism is something that has used [00:00:15] a substitute religious like worldview to foist that affirmatively onto multiple institutions across this country. I think that there are many forcible agendas. If you have to pledge allegiance to a diversity equity, inclusion agenda as a function of getting a job, [00:00:31] I think that is a title VI violation, civil rights violation today. So I don't believe that there should be any religion, secular humanism or otherwise, foisted upon anyone, certainly not through the government. My view is you have free expression in the United States. I'm an ardent defender of religious liberty. [00:00:47] Whatever your religion is, you have the right to practice it as long as you're not explicitly harming somebody else. >> Speaker 1: That's literally secularism. That's literally the definition of secularism. >> Speaker 2: Well, then Cenk what I would say is respectfully whatever word you [00:01:03] use to describe it. Now, I've written a whole book about this, and so we can debate the vocabulary. But in concept, I believe that every religion should be practicable in the United States with religious liberty as long as you're not harming somebody else. And the government cannot establish any one religion as the governing religion for [00:01:20] the United States of America. >> Speaker 2: Good news. That's exactly the US constitution, that is why the US Constitution is considered the first secular constitution. But okay, now we've all done a literacy and civic stat. [00:01:39] >> Speaker 2: Well, look, I think that's in the First Amendment for a reason. Free speech, free expression, freedom of religious choice, and non establishment yes, those are foundational to our constitutional republic. I do think that many of the philosophies that are foisted on kids, the hostility towards schools that may want to adopt certain religious [00:01:59] worldviews as private schools. The hostility towards somebody who says, if you don't approve of a certain kind of marriage, you still have to officiate that marriage, using the state's force to do it. That's what I mean by capitalist secularism. To say that you are forcing somebody to do something that violates their religion, [00:02:17] using the government's power to do it, that is what I reject. And so call that what you want. It's not the vocabulary that matters. It's the concept. I am against that, and you may disagree with me on that, but at least we can smoke out where our likely disagreement is rather worrying about the verbiage.